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How can Ryan and Jon not know that Brendon and Spencer would continue as Panic! when back then, Panic! was already on board for the Blink 182 tour which Jon and Ryan definitely didn't want to be a part of?

They had a contract with the label and if the band didn't continue, they could've been sued for breach of contract. They're lucky they didn't get sued anyways for leaving the band. I get that Jon and Ryan wanted to start new with their band and have a new audience, but that doesn't mean that Spencer and Brendon wanted that too. I think it's just a mix of miss-communications between members and Ryan feeling entitled because it was his band in the first place.

IDK, it just makes me angry that Ryan and Jon are saying all of these stuff to fans and everyone while we still don't know Spencer and Brendon's side of the story. :/ And why are they saying this NOW? Why not back then when Ryan started talking to the press for the first time? It's been almost a year, and I think they should be adults about it and get over it and stop pointing fingers at each other. -_- Most of this is towards Ryan And Jon because neither Spencer or Brendon have said anything bad about them, and it just makes Jon and Ryan come off as douches. I'm sorry but if they continue mouthing off, there's a possibility that what little friendship they had with brendon and spencer will go down the toilet because of it.

this is just how i feel about the situation. I get that they're hurt or whatever, but they should be adults about it and talk to Spencer and Brendon directly, not to fans and people in general (eventhough we do want to know)

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I have come to the conclusion that, much as I love boys like Ryan Ross and Pete Wentz, they are genetically bound to put their foot in their mouth on a semi-annual basis. Also, handling things like adults and ACTUALLY TALKING THEM THROUGH is difficult for the emotionally stunted. I can see that musically they needed to go in different directions, so the split was necessary, but it's like when being roommates with a friend doesn't work out - it takes a bit of space and then determination to make sure everybody's still friends afterwards. I think at their heart they still care about each other, but they are boys and made of communication fail, which leads to misunderstandings.

*sigh* I'm sure they'll be less drama when they actually grow up, but that may take a while.

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Also, they are under contract as Panic!, so someone had to finish that out - something that would fall to the more responsible Spencer. Ryan Ross has been shown to fail at practicalities before.

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I couldn't agree more with you (and with Bea I think, even if I have to read everything better 'cause I'm working, lol)

anyway I'm just going to post what I said on another comment (forgive my english, I hope everything is clear XD)

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Andy is saying that Panic songs would clash with their style and with what they're doing, or something like that. Or else they would have played some of them, he said... (maybe Ryan can, I mean when I was a teenager I followed Take That - I know, I know, haha - and then Robbie Williams left, but he still sang some of their songs during his shows).
I want Panic to keep going and I want to hear these songs forever, so I'm glad that someone at least is keeping them. ;)
Maybe it was just miscommunication, I'm sure it was (even if I find so absurd that Ryan didn't understand that Spencer wanted to go on :/ EDIT TO ADD: how is this possible?? As you said, it was just so.. obvious from the start!). But since Ryan and Jon didn't want the Band anymore, anyway, I think it's right that someone, who instead did want it, could go on... instead to see it dead. I mean why not brendon and spencer?
Then I've read on a community that they should have paid some penalties or such to the label... (and they would have caused Pete an heart attack, lol)

I just hope Jon and Ryan will stop talking about it, they seem happy so why don't they let this go :( I'm just tired to hear things, my heart can't take it :S I know that they're not friends now, I just hope things will be okay in the future, but for now I need a break and at least I want to know that they're all doing what makes them happy, fuck the past :(

sorry I talked too much, I couldn't stop XD
ps and yes i didn't like the interview much, either... it's just that I love ryan and jon, but I'm a little biased for spencer and brendon, I just love them so much more XD Can't do anything about it, lol
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That's what I think. And as you said, I mean why now... o___o I'm so confused.
edit to add again: And I'd love to hear what spencer and brendon have to say about this now, I'd love for them to have the chance to speak or say their side of the story. It's like.. i don't know, I feel as they can't "defend" themselves this way, but maybe it's just me.:(

edit to add 3, then I'll stop promise lol

The other sad thing is that I'm really trying to love them ALL, and it's sad to see fandom people fighting and bitching at each other :( I hope this will stop, again

Edited Date: 2010-04-15 12:49 am (UTC)

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This article just pisses me off, too. So, instead of us both being pissy, allow me to present you with this:

Dusk is falling in the capital city of Warren, fiery orange light catching and reflecting off the hulls of the ships lining the docking port. Brendon weaves through the throng of new arrivals hurrying toward the heart of town, where the pubs are opening their doors and cheerful music is beginning to fill the air. The crowd parts for him unconsciously and automatically—even on the Rim planets his status earns him respect, whether or not those granting it realise what he is.

Alex follows behind with their luggage, keeping pace admirably despite the weight of his labour. He is silent, though Brendon knows there are questions he would like to voice, protests he would like to lodge. That what Brendon proposes is risky at best, downright suicidal and worst. That there are safer, if less direct courses of action that could be taken.

There are three private transport ships set to depart before nightfall, each more rundown than the last. The barker of the first ship is an eager looking young man bouncing on his feet, speaking to everyone who passes, loudly singing praise of his crew. He has an ugly desperation in his eyes that makes Brendon ill at ease, and he passes that ship quickly by.

The second has no barker but a whore, dressed in a mockery of Brendon’s garments—robe parted low to bare her cleavage and high to show the tan silk of her thigh. Her smoky eyes smirk at him as he passes this ship, too. He has no qualms against those men and women who choose to make a living at his trade outside the safety and structure of the Guild. All the same, he has no desire to surround himself by said men and women, nor those who would patronise them.

Two men sit in the open dock of the final transport ship, playing cards on an overturned crate. Brendon’s gaze is caught by the colourful tattoos up one of the man’s arms, and the way they are both dressed as if they stepped straight out of a film set on the Earth-That-Was.

“Excuse me,” Brendon calls, stepping up the platform. Alex waits obediently behind.

They turn to look at him, the tattooed one’s expression going from surly to entranced at the sight of him. The other one, in the ball cap, turns bright red and looks back at his cards.

“Can I help you?” the tattooed one purrs. The other kicks him rather unsubtly behind the crate. Brendon doesn’t fight his amused grin. He knows the power his smile has over others. “I’m Pete Wentz, and this is Patrick Stump, pilot of this fine ship.”

“It is a pleasure to meet you both,” Brendon says, and extends his hand to them each. Patrick looks like he doesn’t know what to do with it. “My name is Brendon, and my valet is Marshall. You are still taking passengers?”

“In theory,” Pete says. “Not to many people are keen on heading to the Core right now.”

“Is that where you’re headed?” Brendon asks, careful to keep his tone even.

“Londinium,” Pete confirms, with a nod of his head. “But what with current politic upheaval and all that, people seem to think it’s safer out on the Rim.” He gives Brendon a searching look. “You heading in?”

“I have no particular destination in mind,” Brendon says. “I have been at Newhall two seasons, and it has lost its shine, if it ever had any.”

Pete gives him a sharp grin. “You’re not much like the other whores ‘round here.”

Brendon refuses to rise to the bait. He does not expect them to recognise his rank. Any ship docking would be privy to basic information such as the lack of any Guild presence. For now, it suits him to pass as a prostitute. “If my profession is a problem…” he offers simply.

Patrick shoots Pete a glare and then turns his gaze on Brendon, apologetic. “It isn’t,” he says. “Can you pay?”

Brendon holds out his palm and Alex comes forward to lay a silk purse in it, coins jingling as it settles. “Business is booming on Newhall,” Pete says appreciatively.

“Indeed,” Brendon agrees.

“Welcome aboard, Brendon,” Pete says. He nods at Alex, “Marshall. Allow me to show you to your quarters.”

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Yeah, I agree with

chaneen here, because Ryan was aware of the messy legal issues surrounding the split, and was avoiding them. And if they did decide to split around Africa, all the more reason there shouldn't have been confusion--it means they would have had *months* to figure out who was doing what and what they would say.

As far as the Blink thing, I'm pretty sure it was already decided they *would* do it before the split, and if they had dropped out after the split, there would have been different legal issues from that.

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yes, to everything you say.

I feel like it is really fucking unfair for Ryan to even expect them to just give up the name, because I don't think Panic ever was solely *his*. He might have written the lyrics, but he and Spencer started that band *together* and let's face it--Brendon's music and voice helped make them what they were. It's really childish of Ryan to think that just because he wants to move on, the other should have to, too.

And yeah, it makes me angry too, that Brendon and Spencer seem to be taking the high road and Ryan has to keep bringing this shit up. I think it's already really suspect that he's mentioning it *now*, especially when he had no qualms about saying rude shit this past July.

I am glad that Spencer and Brendon aren't jumping to address it though. That would seem so desperate, like when Ryan had to do an interview every other day in July, whining about how the fans were disloyal, and no one knew that cocaine was there, lol. *eye roll* They feel much more mature in all of this.

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Yeah, see, that's the main thing that confuses me about all of this. Yes, I agree with what you said about the emotionally stunted, but Ryan couldn't be so stupid that he didn't understand the legal issues surrounding Panic's contract. Right?

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Mostly you've said everything I think about it, especially about Spencer and Brendon being put in a difficult position of having to defend themselves. *sigh*

And yeah, I'm sad about this, too, because I was just getting to a place where I was happy and excited about Ryan Ross's face again, and now...well, it's starting to slip...

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Who knows with Ryan. Maybe he thought they'd just take a couple years break to do other things and then finish it out. Reality doesn't register as much to some people.

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oooh, that is *shiny*.

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i'd like to interject that jon hasn't actually said much of anything at all, really. he just seems to be going along. but painting him to be the bad guy doesn't seem right, to me, if he hasn't really said anything to make it so. (unless, of course, he HAS been pointing blame and stuff and i've missed it because i refuse to read anything with the words "Ryan" and "Ross" involved.)

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Companion Brendon is *very* shiny.

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From what I've read in other comments from people that have gone to the concerts, Jon has been pointing fingers and has said some shitty stuff about Brendon and Spencer. I'm pretty sure at one point he called him an asshole, and there were more than one people who were present when he said it. He has said that he knew they were breaking up, but he thought it would be two separate bands and that they wouldn't keep the name and play their songs. :/ He's also said that Ryan wrote the first album and that he and Jon basically wrote the second album. He's also said that Spencer and Brendon lied about all of them being on good terms.

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Oh, good! you are so sweet and generous with your praise. Companion Brendon has been living in my brain ever since you mentioned him. I'll have you know, there is an entire fic planned out. With a very complex plot. And adventures! With reavers, and the Alliance and Parliament. And threesomes. I hope you're okay with Ryan/Spencer/Brendon...?

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see, and there we go. if none of this was on public forum, i didn't know any of it. i've never gone to a TYV show (even though i had opportunity and means, i was just too tired) so i've never heard him saying things like that. i guess it's smart he hasn't said anything in any interviews, but it still sort of breaks my heart that he should act that way at all. :(

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that would explain some of the crazy talk by that chick on twitter.

Again, I'm just stuck on the two separate bands thing. I mean, Jon might not have realised about the contract since his was different from the rest of theirs, but still.

And yeah, we all know who fucking wrote the albums. There's never been a question. Why bring that up? I don't think Brendon and Spencer have ever tried to lay claim as writers. And while I do think it is a little strange that they're still performing the songs, when it comes down to it it is up to their bosses what happens. And since they *all* had creative control of the work, and since Ryan and Jon gave up their connection to it, I don't see what the issue is.

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Yeah, Jon apparently loves to talk to the fans about it whenever they ask. I mean, good for him I guess, that he's talking to fans, but it sucks that he says all of that stuff when Brendon or Spencer can't even defend themselves. :/

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that would explain some of the crazy talk by that chick on twitter.

Yeah, it could...I still think it was pretty douchey to say that they aren't friends anymore when he doesn't know how Spencer and Brendon feel about it. Spencer and Brendon might consider him a friend, and it's sad that Jon doesn't. Even Ryan has said that they're still friends, even though things are pretty weird right now.

Yup. I think it was pretty naive of them to think that they could all just quit panic! and that would be it. What about the contract, and the shows they had signed in to play with blink 182? After they split, they had to have sign a lot of paperwork and shit with the label, so IDG the supposed 'surprise' at finding out that spencer and brendon would keep the name. I'm not angry because they left and did their own thing, kudos to them since they seem happier now than ever, I just don't like how they're handling the situation.

And yeah, we all know who fucking wrote the albums. There's never been a question. Why bring that up?

I think he's using that as a reason why he thought brendon and spencer should've started a new band, because he says that ryan wrote the first album and he and ryan basically wrote the second album except for the songs Brendon wrote, so he maybe doesn't think they should sing the songs they didn't write? It's still douchey of him to say that because he wasn't there during the first album so he really shouldn't talk and make it seem like ryan has more right to keep the songs than they do...And the second album was a collaborative work! It belongs to panic as a whole, so IDG why he's making it seem like he and ryan have more right to the songs than they do.

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yeah, to be honest, I'm a little weird about writing Ryan now, too. But changing it would drastically change the plot...

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*nods*
I don't like it. :( But I think they won't mention it, I don't know if it's good or bad.

yeah, for me too... I was okay with everything and now, it starts again... :(

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Yes! As you said, it was a group work, OK about the lyrics, but Brendon wrote some of the music and I'm almost sure Spencer wrote his own drums part (even in the first album). As someone said then without Brendon's voice Panic wouldn't be where they are. So: They all did something, I think they all have the same rights, all of them.
Then as I said under here, Andy explained that Panic songs aren't okay for TYV, so, again, since they didn't want them in the first place, I don't see the problem :/

I just hope things will calm down and rumors will stop once and for all! :(

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Oh and btw I'm not even sure Ryan gave up his connection to the songs.. I mean, I don't understand how things work (I just had that robbie williams example), but if Andy said "if there are a couple of songs similar to our style sure it would be considered but otherwise it would just clash with what we are doing." I think it means they COULD use the songs, but they just don't want to... At least I think so!

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What's gets me is that I've basically heard 2 distinct, very conflicting stories about how Jon's been talking about the split, and Brendon and Spencer.

One is that they aren't friends anymore, he thinks they're assholes, B & S basically went behind his and Ryan's backs, intimating that they'd be basically doing what he and Ryan are, and starting a completely different band. The other (and I've heard this from several different people, who claim to have heard it at completely different shows, most of whom don't know each other) is that Jon's saying they haven't really spoken in ages, that he's sad and disappointed things turned out weird, that there was a huge lack of communication or a lot of miscommunication, and that he wishes things were different because he misses the friendship.

Personally, I think it's something in between, especially as he was at a club, and was drinking, and no matter what "actually" happened, when hurt feelings are involved, and booze comes into it, what comes out of your mouth will be different than what actually happened, or what you genuinely believe.

The thing is, Jon's not a stupid guy, he's been in bands before, and he's witnessed a lot of friends' bands and the accompanying legal situations. I really don't think he'd be naive or stupid enough to think that he and Ryan could start a band, with Spencer and Brendon continuing to work together, and one or the other group wouldn't be held to the contractual obligations they had as Panic, especially considering the fact that they were becoming pretty well-known, and bringing in a good amount of money for the label. However, it's entirely possible he misconstrued what was going on, and maybe thought that they were, say, putting Panic on hold for a few years, and they all were going to do something else in the meantime, but probably going to figure things out regarding Panic later on.

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you are very reasonable and I like your words.

I've pretty much talked myself out on this subject, but I felt the need to respond because you actually made me feel a bit better about the whole thing, when mostly I've just been getting angrier and angrier. So thank you.

Also, boys in bathtubs always = good :D

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I am not sure if the article is trying to downplay things or blow things out of proportion >_<'

...also, the author seems to imply that Andy and Nick Murray were part of the actual making/recording of Take A Vacation? I had been under the impression that they (and Nick White) were added after the record was totally done?

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