Can someone tell me what the f**k this is about?

[mokuyoubi]

http://www.examiner.com/x-17319-Chicago-Music-Industry-Examiner~y2010m4d12-The-Young-Veins-Interview

I stumbled upon it through this twitter by this chick calling Brendon and Spencer liars and thieves and other such nonsense, and I am confused as all hell.

I'm trying to figure out how Ryan could have seen things differently. The very first post, written by him and Jon and put up on the official website on July 6th said VERY CLEARLY that Spencer and Brendon were remaining as Panic at the Disco and that all tour dates would go on as planned. In several of the MTV articles with Ryan throughout July of 2009, Brendon and Spencer are referred to, by the interviewer and Ryan as "New Panic!" Just one of the mentions: "He said that while he hasn't heard any of the new Panic! stuff, he wishes Urie and Smith well"

Supposing that Ryan hadn't known, and considering the antagonistic and less than friendly vibe of those interviews, why wouldn't he have brought it up then? I am really uncomfortably with the fact that he's bringing it up *now*. Because even if it is true, it comes off and petty and dishonest and I don't know how to deal with that.

I've been reminded, too, of how immature Ryan was about the whole thing, re-reading these articles. How he said he was avoiding talking to anyone at Decaydance and not answering Wentz's calls. It makes me think if he honestly didn't know bout Brendon and Spencer taking the name it WAS HIS OWN FAULT. There are a lot of questions about this sort of thing when a band splits, and if Ryan wasn't *talking* to people from the label, how could he expect to know about the decisions that were being made.

It's weird, because for the first time in a long time, I'm not angry toward Ryan. I guess I can believe that there was some miscommunication (in that he refused to communicate with Decaydance and Pete), but I feel that it is really inappropriate and immature for him to say this now.

Comments

[xbeax.livejournal.com]

How can Ryan and Jon not know that Brendon and Spencer would continue as Panic! when back then, Panic! was already on board for the Blink 182 tour which Jon and Ryan definitely didn't want to be a part of?

They had a contract with the label and if the band didn't continue, they could've been sued for breach of contract. They're lucky they didn't get sued anyways for leaving the band. I get that Jon and Ryan wanted to start new with their band and have a new audience, but that doesn't mean that Spencer and Brendon wanted that too. I think it's just a mix of miss-communications between members and Ryan feeling entitled because it was his band in the first place.

IDK, it just makes me angry that Ryan and Jon are saying all of these stuff to fans and everyone while we still don't know Spencer and Brendon's side of the story. :/ And why are they saying this NOW? Why not back then when Ryan started talking to the press for the first time? It's been almost a year, and I think they should be adults about it and get over it and stop pointing fingers at each other. -_- Most of this is towards Ryan And Jon because neither Spencer or Brendon have said anything bad about them, and it just makes Jon and Ryan come off as douches. I'm sorry but if they continue mouthing off, there's a possibility that what little friendship they had with brendon and spencer will go down the toilet because of it.

this is just how i feel about the situation. I get that they're hurt or whatever, but they should be adults about it and talk to Spencer and Brendon directly, not to fans and people in general (eventhough we do want to know)

[moku-youbi.livejournal.com]

yes, to everything you say.

I feel like it is really fucking unfair for Ryan to even expect them to just give up the name, because I don't think Panic ever was solely *his*. He might have written the lyrics, but he and Spencer started that band *together* and let's face it--Brendon's music and voice helped make them what they were. It's really childish of Ryan to think that just because he wants to move on, the other should have to, too.

And yeah, it makes me angry too, that Brendon and Spencer seem to be taking the high road and Ryan has to keep bringing this shit up. I think it's already really suspect that he's mentioning it *now*, especially when he had no qualms about saying rude shit this past July.

I am glad that Spencer and Brendon aren't jumping to address it though. That would seem so desperate, like when Ryan had to do an interview every other day in July, whining about how the fans were disloyal, and no one knew that cocaine was there, lol. *eye roll* They feel much more mature in all of this.

[okubyo-kitsune.livejournal.com]

i'd like to interject that jon hasn't actually said much of anything at all, really. he just seems to be going along. but painting him to be the bad guy doesn't seem right, to me, if he hasn't really said anything to make it so. (unless, of course, he HAS been pointing blame and stuff and i've missed it because i refuse to read anything with the words "Ryan" and "Ross" involved.)

[xbeax.livejournal.com]

From what I've read in other comments from people that have gone to the concerts, Jon has been pointing fingers and has said some shitty stuff about Brendon and Spencer. I'm pretty sure at one point he called him an asshole, and there were more than one people who were present when he said it. He has said that he knew they were breaking up, but he thought it would be two separate bands and that they wouldn't keep the name and play their songs. :/ He's also said that Ryan wrote the first album and that he and Jon basically wrote the second album. He's also said that Spencer and Brendon lied about all of them being on good terms.

[okubyo-kitsune.livejournal.com]

see, and there we go. if none of this was on public forum, i didn't know any of it. i've never gone to a TYV show (even though i had opportunity and means, i was just too tired) so i've never heard him saying things like that. i guess it's smart he hasn't said anything in any interviews, but it still sort of breaks my heart that he should act that way at all. :(

[xbeax.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Jon apparently loves to talk to the fans about it whenever they ask. I mean, good for him I guess, that he's talking to fans, but it sucks that he says all of that stuff when Brendon or Spencer can't even defend themselves. :/

[moku-youbi.livejournal.com]

that would explain some of the crazy talk by that chick on twitter.

Again, I'm just stuck on the two separate bands thing. I mean, Jon might not have realised about the contract since his was different from the rest of theirs, but still.

And yeah, we all know who fucking wrote the albums. There's never been a question. Why bring that up? I don't think Brendon and Spencer have ever tried to lay claim as writers. And while I do think it is a little strange that they're still performing the songs, when it comes down to it it is up to their bosses what happens. And since they *all* had creative control of the work, and since Ryan and Jon gave up their connection to it, I don't see what the issue is.

[xbeax.livejournal.com]

that would explain some of the crazy talk by that chick on twitter.

Yeah, it could...I still think it was pretty douchey to say that they aren't friends anymore when he doesn't know how Spencer and Brendon feel about it. Spencer and Brendon might consider him a friend, and it's sad that Jon doesn't. Even Ryan has said that they're still friends, even though things are pretty weird right now.

Yup. I think it was pretty naive of them to think that they could all just quit panic! and that would be it. What about the contract, and the shows they had signed in to play with blink 182? After they split, they had to have sign a lot of paperwork and shit with the label, so IDG the supposed 'surprise' at finding out that spencer and brendon would keep the name. I'm not angry because they left and did their own thing, kudos to them since they seem happier now than ever, I just don't like how they're handling the situation.

And yeah, we all know who fucking wrote the albums. There's never been a question. Why bring that up?

I think he's using that as a reason why he thought brendon and spencer should've started a new band, because he says that ryan wrote the first album and he and ryan basically wrote the second album except for the songs Brendon wrote, so he maybe doesn't think they should sing the songs they didn't write? It's still douchey of him to say that because he wasn't there during the first album so he really shouldn't talk and make it seem like ryan has more right to keep the songs than they do...And the second album was a collaborative work! It belongs to panic as a whole, so IDG why he's making it seem like he and ryan have more right to the songs than they do.

[raffie79.livejournal.com]

Yes! As you said, it was a group work, OK about the lyrics, but Brendon wrote some of the music and I'm almost sure Spencer wrote his own drums part (even in the first album). As someone said then without Brendon's voice Panic wouldn't be where they are. So: They all did something, I think they all have the same rights, all of them.
Then as I said under here, Andy explained that Panic songs aren't okay for TYV, so, again, since they didn't want them in the first place, I don't see the problem :/

I just hope things will calm down and rumors will stop once and for all! :(

[raffie79.livejournal.com]

Oh and btw I'm not even sure Ryan gave up his connection to the songs.. I mean, I don't understand how things work (I just had that robbie williams example), but if Andy said "if there are a couple of songs similar to our style sure it would be considered but otherwise it would just clash with what we are doing." I think it means they COULD use the songs, but they just don't want to... At least I think so!